Hope for a dispassionate policy dialogue seems a bit misplaced. This has deteriorated into Facebook propaganda. Isn’t it just a bit silly, Etniks, to suggest that a) Israel is the only country with a religious symbol on its flag? Does this make, for example, England , Greece, Iceland, Norway inherently ‘racist,” as you say because of the embedded Crucifix ? How about Turkey and Tunisia with the “indisputably” Muslim crescent moon? Should we mention the ISIL flag at all, or even the more conservative Saudi flag ? “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet” You make recurrent entreaties to the protection of innocent Jews while voicing your disdain for Israel. On balance, however, I think it is safe to say that most Jews regard Israel as safe haven from Antisemitism, You have reversed cause and effect. Anyway, the point of my article was to find tactical and policy frameworks to reach a Palestinian state in a structured process towards a stabilizing factor in the Middle East, not the reverse. I am un-apologetically pro-Israel, yes, but I don’t see it as a zero-sum game. I am not anti-Palestinian. I have no quarrel with Palestinian national aspirations that are provisioned in a way that is calculated to generate and preserve order, not to perpetuate and escalate conflict. It is called “Realism”. The quote you attribute to Begin is just self-referencing internet slander. if you contact or search Kapeliouk, he will advise you that his article was first misquoted in the New Statesmen then turned into fraudulent libel on the Internet (which you now circulate). This contributes no more to the Palestinian cause and a future state than does the Hamas Charter or the slaughter in a Jerusalem synagogue with butcher knives. I say again: reasoned, dispassionate, Realist diplomacy without rhetoric and “outrage” is the sole path forward to mutual accommodation. You can have the late word, Etniks, just make a supreme effort to consider reason over rhetoric.

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It is clear for you the facts “don’t matter”. We are talking about PALESTINIAN sovereignty but you claim that by Egypt invading Gaza it will achieve it. WHAT NONSENSE!!!
You are brainwashed by the Zionist narrative and you are as guilty as Israel of all the crimes taking place, just as the picture is stating.

Zionists like you are Psychopaths who just can’t fit into your small heads the rights of Palestinians to have their own country, just as Israel enjoys now.

Many Jews are aware of the terrible damage being done to their Jewishness by a criminal Israel using the Star of David in its flag, and making anybody who is not Jewish in Israel, a second class citizen.
Don’t matter how much Israel wants to pretend to be a “normal” country, IT ISN’T!!
No true democratic country in the world would limit their citizens to adhere to a particular religion or race, or culture as they demand there in order to have all the privileges of citizenship.

I started a respond but you picture says it all. It doesn’t matter. The facts don’t matter. The history doesn’t matter. Rational government doesn’t matter. It’s always somebody else’s fault. So here’s your sovereignty. Egypt invade Gaza. Gaza becomes attached to Egyptian, just as is has been for thousands of years. Egypt cleans out Gaza. Sovereignty achieved. The West Bank gets broken down between Israel and semi-autonomous “Arab” communities tied to Jordan, just like they have been for a thousand years. That’s what should happen….

Being “reasonable” has not helped Palestinians one bit in any of the negotiations done with Israel. Every time Israel comes up with the same ludicrous demands of behavior you have exposed here, which are ridiculous in the circumstances, Palestinians always get the short end of the stick.

It is true Israel is too strong to be overrun by force, but the world is paying attention and its support around the planet, even if Hollywood keeps churning up films putting Jews as victims from WWII, is evaporating because they see the hypocrisy of Israel’s behavior.

It is one of the longest occupations in history, and Israel thinks there won’t be a price to pay, but they are wrong. The terrible image people are getting from their behavior is being packed up in their minds, and unfortunately it will affect millions of innocent Jews who disagree with Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

Oh, so it is a bit more candor you seek , then: Try this: It is the absolutist, smug, self-righteous “tilt-at-windmill” thought that you perfect here which is a good part why there is no Palestinian state as yet, and may never be one at this rate. Rant and rave, but that will achieve zero. Clam, measured, dialogue and negotiation is thee sole way forward.

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Your suppositions have no resemblance to reality, because Palestinians have no way to behave “normally” while in occupation, having to go through so many “check points” just to go to work or school or anything else, and their commerce, imports and exports are totally controlled by Israel.

Libya was a viable state until it was attacked by the same Zionist forces that support Israel. Yes it was NATO and the US who physically attacked Libya, but it was ordered to do so by the CABAL of financiers who in fact are the rulers of the world using DEBT as its weapon to apply their control. Gaddafy’s plan to create a new African currency was the trigger for that invasion, and the fact this CABAL didn’t have control of Libya’s central bank is what resulted in Gaddafy’s assassination and the destruction of Libya as an independent state.